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Old 07-02-2014, 01:52 AM   #1
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My experience with CW Bikes

My honest review and opinion on CW Bikes

So I bought a Stomp Z125 Road legal from CW Bikes on 31th October 2013 for £1583 (including delivery and extras (£60 or so)).

Extras: Road Legal Tyres, 17 - 37 sprocket set, Monster graphics, green fuel cap, green grips, 1L of Oil.

It arrived on the 3rd of November, took it off the wooden pallet, propped it up and put the front wheel on. I got it insured on the 6th and rode it that day, filled it up took it back home.

So first things I noticed was the poor attempt at putting the Monster stickers on the plastics, I assume they were not made for CRF70 plastics as none of the holes lined up and they bubbled within the fist week. I ignored this as a new set was £35 which I bought and put on which are still good as of 07/02/14.

After 5 or so days of owning the bike the speedo started messing up, was freezing, turning off and on, getting stuck at 22mph, etc. So I messaged Callan, he told me to adjust the sensor which I done, no luck. After a few days of listening to Callans advice on how to fix the problem he instructed me to send the speedo back to check if it was faulty and potentially get a replacement, so around the 12th I shipped the speedo back, two weeks later I called them and then they decided they needed the clip that goes from the speedo to the bundle of cables, so I sent that down to them, so after a month of numerous calls, being told that the speedo was faulty and its being fixed I finally got a response.

But this wasn't because they had got me a replacement, it was because my clutch cable had snapped, it had completely snapped off at the top by the lever. I called Callan and he said it's £10 for a replacement so I sent that and he told me that the speedo would be sent with the clutch cable. So I paid for the clutch cable on the 17/12/2013 and it wasn't shipped till the 24/12/2013 after I sent a few emails explaining my frustration, I received the speedo and cable on the 4/01/14 and straight away a problem.

The speedo was turning off when I revved the bike and also when I turned the lights off, Callan told me I needed a cr7hsa spark plug to fix this and he would send me one, after a few days I gave in and bought one myself, his arrived a week or so later.

24/01/14: I was riding to college, turning into the car park (leads onto the college car park) bike swung sideways and came to a stop, got off, looked at the back and the chain had come off, understandable as the chain is Chinese and stretches 3cm+ every week, it was so loose I could put it back on with my hands, so I did, got back on the bike and started the ride off, that's when it made crunching sounds, got off and walked it the rest of the way. Called my grandad to pick me up with the trailer, done my lesson, come out, strapped the bike in the trailer and got it home, first thoughts were the spindle snapped, but I took the rear wheel off, out falls a few ball bearings, mangled up plastic and mangled up metal, the remains of the bearings and oil seals.

To cut it short I took the other remaining bearing and oil seal to a local shop, got a replacement for and fitted them fine, now I'm waiting on the front ones to go, but I'll get on to that.

01/02/14: Leaving to get to work, clutch cable snaps, again, replaced it, got to work, on my way home, back brake wasn't feeling right, took wheel off, checked pads and one side had almost crumbled completely off, now I forgot to say earlier but the front brake disc was bent from when I got it and it jolted when I used the front brake and every time It caused the rear wheel to lock up in wet weather. New pads and disc was ordered and arrived on 05/02/14 and work fine.

Stuff I've missed: All terminals for lights like the rear number plate light, front brake lever light, have all corroded and gone rusty and no longer work, tried filing them down, will need to solder them to fix it.

All through this I kept Callan updated and all he could say was that I didn't return within the 1 month warranty, yes 1 month on a £1500 bike, and that it was wear and tear.

So let me go over this, here is the price of parts.


Prices:

Clutch Cable x3 : £20
Brake Pads: £5
Front Disc: £8
Wheel Bearings and Oil Seals: £40
Plastics + Stickers: £35
Postage to return parts: £15


What's next to be fixed/replaced

Chain: £25
Sprocket Set: £30
Tyres (not that soon): £70



Toal Price So Far

= £1706



Summary of CW Bikes

Callan refuses the accept he is in the wrong, he hasn't offered to send free replacements as he sees all of this as wear and tear as it's out of warranty and every time I call he's hostile and trys to make you feel like you're in the wrong unless you're spending money. They ignore emails, don't call back when promised and act like they're doing something when really they have no intention of helping you, this is my honest review of Callan/CW Bikes as all I see here is people saying how much they liked X product and service.

This isn't a review on the Stomp bikes as what Callan advertised on the website and ebay was completely different to what I got, supposedly YX120, Start in gear, fold back levers when In reality it was a SR120, non SIG and standard levers, so I assume he strips the bikes and replaces with cheaper parts to profit even more.

A bike shouldn't be on its last legs after 500 miles and 4 months of owning it, I live in the city so it occasionally gets to 40mph but it's mainly 20mph and 30, none of these problems should have occurred if the bikes were checked before being sent there is something going wrong when the bikes are being built by CW Bikes, they must cut corners wherever possible.

I will try and update this thread when more stuff goes wrong, if you're going to reply make sure its worth reading and not just you trying to defend CW Bikes, thanks for reading.

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^What I supposedly bought.... what I really bought: SR120-C Engine, Non SIG, No Foldback Levers... somethings not right here....




Final Update - 11/02/14

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I'm just going to put this all out there, this will very possibly be one of the last things I say on the matter.

Callan offered me £800 then £1000 to bring the bike back to him in the condition described, as I didn't get a definite answer from Callan I doubt I will take this route.

I live 100 or so miles away and anyone in their right mind would not like to take it that far to bring it all the way back, now as Callan has demonstrated before he's not very honest when doing business, so when I turn up with the bike it would give him the opportunity to negotiate a lower buy back price probably in the region of £600-£700.

That isn't something I intend on doing as in my opinion his word means nothing, I would rather take my chances with TS and get all my money back.

I bought the bike based off what I've read on the forums about his company and the bikes build quality, I guess no ones brave enough to express their opinion on the forums as I don't doubt another 17 year old with L Plates hasn't made the same mistake.... It's a mistake you make once in a lifetime... So I don't intend on doing it again, got to hope work can give me enough hours to try and buy another bike quickly as this is my only transport and I can't see it living 6 months.

As it's not a satisfactory quality I can already see what TS has to say on the matter. Nor is it fit for it's purpose... No hard feelings Callan but your word isn't going to cut it.

Thank you everyone who's replied, I hope this thread will stop others doing what I done.

- Josh
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Old 07-02-2014, 10:31 AM   #2
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What an absolute joke! Hes done nothing to help you. Personally id get on to trading standards buddy and see where you stand.
I was on ebay the other day and came across cw's ebay shop. His prices are silly and his feedback is shocking to say the least. To me that says alot about him as a tradesman. I think hes a cowboy and has no comitment to customer service. Only ever dealt with him once a few years ago when he was with stomp. If he carrys on the way he is then he wont last long.
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:03 AM   #3
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He's even just read this and. Not responded
I'd be paying a visit if it was me
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:05 AM   #4
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I think this goes to show that issues happen with every company – and to be fair I doubt very much any company would go about swapping off a decent clutch cable, and putting on a cheaper one, as the amount of aggro over such a small saving isn’t worth it. Seems more likely it’s just a cheap bike, made from cheap parts, with a decent profit on it as road going pits are hard to get hold of so the price isn’t driven down by competition…

Wheel bearing and brake pads are notoriously rubbish on cheap Chinese bikes – just like the chain… not what you want to hear, but it is true.

The speedo is poor show though, it is a legal requirement and there is no excuse for a sealed unit to fail so soon (though if the wiring is so dodgy I imagine this isn’t helping matters).

There are two issues here, one is a poor quality bike, and the other is customer service being less than the customer expected

The reality is, pit bikes are cheap bikes, built to the lowest price possible – which is why they get such tiny warranties. If you want a warrenty, buy Japanese.

If you want a decent road legal pit, I suggest you buy a trailtec digital dash for £50 or 60, sort the wiring (solder etc), and then flog it quick.

Then use the £1000 ish you might get back towards a 2nd hand Kawasaki KSR 110. Same as a pitbike, but MILES better built.

With regards to the customer service - thats a choice for each company. Ryan air treat customers like cr@p every day, rolls royce walk on eggshells - but each company has t choose how to act and either spend the money to keep customers happy, or accept that they don't mind them being unhappy.
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Old 07-02-2014, 12:13 PM   #5
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As mentioned in this write up these are a stomp product i can only go by the stomp manufacture warranty, which is exactly what i did...

you was fully aware they only had a months warranty and if you wasnt happy with that you shouldnt of purchased the bike in the first place. you purchased the bike last year it has been well over 3 months, do you know any pitbike riden alot lasting 3 months with nothing braking from wear and tear? looking at the pictures of how rusty you have let it all get and the state of the products that this bike has not been looked after or maintained in anyway. i dont understand how you can blame it on cw bikes for rusting and not being maintained when for starters it came from stomp factory,we build, assemble, check and send out we have sold over 50 units last year, also the bike was nothing like that when leaving our premises that i can assure you.

you contacted me about your speedo i stated stomp had none in stock and didnt have any for ages so rather then leave you with nothing we paid out of our own pocket for a upgraded speedo to compensate for the faulty one.
When these speedos arrived we then realized we needed your wiring harness from speedo to loom to adapt them to fit these bikes, please note this did delay us you did email saying you was not happy with how long it took and i did apologies and guarantee you it will be with you by the end of the week which is was,

the clutch cable im afraid was not under warranty, as this was a wear and tear item unless you can prove it was down to a manufacture fault. however on your listing you have stated you have had 3 i find it hard to understand these 3 are all manufacture faults you must be well using this bike and riding the clutch a lot.

with the graphics they were for crf70 i would like to see the pictures of these graphics as they didn't fit the plastics?
also you say you purchased some for 35 pounds this was not from us and that was not just the price of the graphics you must of got a full set of extra plastics also.

all the other parts were months in advanced which again is down to stomp only having a months warranty which you knew when you were happy to purchase the bike.

i have replied to you every time and told you over and over again if they would give me under warranty you would have all the products, but there is only so much we can do once well over a month i dont have a leg to stand on to claim through stomp under warranty anymore with this bike. therefore the only thing i can do is advise you which you were not willing to accept so i have nothing more to say unless if you would like my advice then i am more then happy to give it at anytime.

it wasn't until you said to take the matter further because you don't want our help or advise, because as a business we didn't compensate for everything on your bike, i then previously emailed last saying to do that, so then i have stopped emailing pointlessly as there is nothing more to say you do not want any help you just want all your parts paid for that you have run into the ground.

Also the way you spoke to me numerous times on the phone, i am not very happy about, i am still as customer service willing to advise and help providing your not rude.

as i have already said maybe you should of purchased a moped or a commuter not a road legal pit bike for £1250.00, yamaha honda etc these bikes new with the added extras you wanted would be pushing 5k.
these bikes brand new are only 1250.00 brand new, they are not built for everyday use, commuting, they are a fun enduro pitbike sunday rides around town. few green lanes bring home check maintain look after oil up ready for your next fun ride. not ready for college the next day and the rest of the week that is a commuter.

we are sorry you was expecting a lot more for your money but are hands are tied when selling another brand of bike.

if you want advice on how to deal with these issue's in the best and cheapest way call us and we will do our best to resolve any problems, but these will not be under warranty and that is stomp's policy.

thanks cw bikes
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What an absolute joke! Hes done nothing to help you. Personally id get on to trading standards buddy and see where you stand.
I was on ebay the other day and came across cw's ebay shop. His prices are silly and his feedback is shocking to say the least. To me that says alot about him as a tradesman. I think hes a cowboy and has no comitment to customer service. Only ever dealt with him once a few years ago when he was with stomp. If he carrys on the way he is then he wont last long.
dr p personal vendetta banned me off the forum 2 weeks ago for no reason at all.

i say no more.
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Old 07-02-2014, 12:23 PM   #7
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I think this goes to show that issues happen with every company – and to be fair I doubt very much any company would go about swapping off a decent clutch cable, and putting on a cheaper one, as the amount of aggro over such a small saving isn’t worth it. Seems more likely it’s just a cheap bike, made from cheap parts, with a decent profit on it as road going pits are hard to get hold of so the price isn’t driven down by competition…

Wheel bearing and brake pads are notoriously rubbish on cheap Chinese bikes – just like the chain… not what you want to hear, but it is true.

The speedo is poor show though, it is a legal requirement and there is no excuse for a sealed unit to fail so soon (though if the wiring is so dodgy I imagine this isn’t helping matters).

There are two issues here, one is a poor quality bike, and the other is customer service being less than the customer expected

The reality is, pit bikes are cheap bikes, built to the lowest price possible – which is why they get such tiny warranties. If you want a warrenty, buy Japanese.

If you want a decent road legal pit, I suggest you buy a trailtec digital dash for £50 or 60, sort the wiring (solder etc), and then flog it quick.

Then use the £1000 ish you might get back towards a 2nd hand Kawasaki KSR 110. Same as a pitbike, but MILES better built.

With regards to the customer service - thats a choice for each company. Ryan air treat customers like cr@p every day, rolls royce walk on eggshells - but each company has t choose how to act and either spend the money to keep customers happy, or accept that they don't mind them being unhappy.
its nice to see we have some good understanding general knowledge, with customer service there is only so much we can do when we are the middle man selling another brand. i upgraded the guy with a new koso speedo which i paid for to keep the customer happy, he will never be happy with this product as its not built for his purpose which is commuting and not maintaining. hence why he should of brought a better product for more money with a proper warranty. cause that's what this is all over.

i would like to think this is nothing to do with how we do business i spend day and night helping customers through customer service. if a customer was not happy with a product from the start they should be returned straight away.
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Old 07-02-2014, 12:27 PM   #8
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He's even just read this and. Not responded
I'd be paying a visit if it was me
as for you bigs never had a positive comment of you, only quickly jumping on the ban waggon,

i do have a business to run and i have spent alot of time reviewing and commenting back. sorry my response wasnt fast enough for you.
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joshes posts while he was unhappy with the bike and cw bikes:

I'm looking for a decent exhaust to put on my road legal Stomp Z125, I need something that doesn't wake the neighbors if possible, the stock one isn't too bad but it sounds really "throaty"... So any suggestions on exhausts?

I don't have a budget but I'm not looking to spend lots on one

How easy would it be to replace a GN120(Stomps standard engine) with a YX140 engine kit on a Stomp 125?

I assumed they have the same mounts and I wouldn't need to change anything else as the kit has the carb, cdi, kick start, etc

Would I be wrong in guessing it's essentially plug and play (breaking in the engine of course)

Thanks

Hi, so I got a Stomp Z125 (Road legal) and I thought it would be fun to ignore the road closed sign, followed a car and he stopped when he saw the flood, but I carried on, the first 10 meters didn't go past my rim, but the second half which was probably 20 metres must of come up half way of the rim (14 inch wheel) maybe higher, I was going slow making sure it wasn't splashing too much then next thing I know the bikes cut out and I've stopped.

So I get off, walk it through the water, sat on it, electrics were still working (speedo and lights)... now I know this was stupid as It could of damaged it but the air filter looked wet but nothing too bad so I tried to start it and it did first time, rode off, it bogged going into second but that might of just been the drenched air filters fault.

So what I'm asking is what could/has gone bad while doing this, I checked my oil and its a little low but theres no water in there (that I could see), when I got home I could squeeze out water from the air filter, would I need to check/clean the carb? Tomorrow I'm going to change the oil and oil the air filter again but is there anything else I should check?

Thanks in advance.


these are posts made from him, riding through floods that will explain wheel bearings, and all the rust. people just try there luck we have been going a long time to know when people are trying to get parts for free..
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Old 07-02-2014, 12:47 PM   #10
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its a stomp very poor all said and done but it seems like you was happy to take hes money all £1500 and more these bikes are so cheap you could of helped him out cable bearings are next to nothing.

i wont deal with stomp after all the times there bikes ended up at my house for me to fix mark at stomp never gave me nothing.

i do have to say tho the rust on the wheel up there just shows you dont look after the bike as well as you make out.

every pit bike dealer is the same if you ask me everyone as had a problem with the dealers at some point bikes parts its hard to get it right all the time.
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